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Can you call them Pro Life now? by punctual3 Can you call them Pro Life now? by punctual3
First of all, 99% of the time, no babies are killed during abortion. Most abortions are carried out when the fetus is just a non-sentient fetus. The few times when they happen during late-term pregnancies is to preserve the mother's life, or when the baby won't survive childbirth.

There are, however, loads of instances in which anti-abortionists have directly and indirectly killed actual people. There was that tragedy with Savita Halappanavar, who was refused abortion, and died as a result of a miscarriage: [link].

There have also been many accounts of anti-abortionists first-degree murdering/injuring doctors and bombing clinics/hospitals (just naming some examples):
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In addition, any attempt to illegalize abortions will just result in making abortions unsafe. Unsafe abortions kill 70,000 women a year. On top of that, an average of 300,000 women die from childbirth each year.

No one who values life would support any of this.
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XMonochrome-NimbusX Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Very true. 10/10
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KATZENSAFT Featured By Owner Oct 1, 2014
Pro-choicer here. Are you including fetuses in the statement "abortion has", or? I think this is confusing some pro-lifers.
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punctual3 Featured By Owner Oct 1, 2014
No, I'm not.  Fetuses are not people.
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KATZENSAFT Featured By Owner Oct 2, 2014
Thanks
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JennaJane Featured By Owner Edited Sep 20, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
That's HILARIOUSLY wrong... Abortion kills around 50 MILLION children a YEAR... It's impossible those actions could amount to that much.... Plus, as a pro-life person... I don't think those people represent us at all. They're murderers, not pro-lifers.
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BlueWolf007 Featured By Owner 3 days ago
Although I can see where you're trying to go with this comment, it must first have credible grounds to ever be taken seriously.

50 million a year is a ridiculous exaggeration, like on the sense that it's hilarious you think that's true. Rest at ease the actual percentage is SIGNIFICANTLY smaller, especially with the easier availability to birth control in the last few years.

Abortion doesn't kill children at all. Abortion terminates fertilized eggs, zygotes and fetuses. Calling either of those "children" is like referring an adult to a child, or a senior citizen to a teen. It's entirely untrue and proves that you're run simply by your emotions and not by logic.

And on a last note,I agree, those murdering creatures are not pro-life at all. They're monsters. I don't care what they call themselves. A serial rapist could claim to be a holy man- this does not make his claims nor self entitlement true.
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KrisCynical Featured By Owner Edited Dec 15, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
According to the CDC the most recent numbers for annual abortion rates in the US (2011) totaled roughly 700,000.

Unless you can provide an actual, credible source that says there were 49.3 million abortions in the REST of the world, try again. It's really easy to pull numbers out of your bum.
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Isa09042001 Featured By Owner Oct 10, 2014  Student Digital Artist
They are not children....
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KINGRIEVOUS Featured By Owner Oct 8, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
You Pro Lifers are fucking twats.
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AsahiGirl Featured By Owner Sep 20, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Clap 
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KINGRIEVOUS Featured By Owner Oct 8, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Pro Life?
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AsahiGirl Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Found you. c:<
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KINGRIEVOUS Featured By Owner Oct 27, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Im Pro Choice,

How about you?
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AsahiGirl Featured By Owner Oct 28, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I respect your opinion.


Don't slap me for this.

I'm pro life, but I always respect opinions.
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Totally-dead Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
And how do you respect opinions you do not agree with?
You can respect the person`s right to have an opinion, you can respect them by not judging them negatively for it, and you can even respect the complexity of thinking that brought them to such a conclusion, but you cannot respect an opinion if you consider it flawed.
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AsahiGirl Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I respect opinions no matter what.
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KINGRIEVOUS Featured By Owner Oct 28, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
More Mr. Krabs 
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AsahiGirl Featured By Owner Oct 29, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
c:<
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punctual3 Featured By Owner Sep 20, 2014
A fetus is not a child.  It's not even sentient before 2 months.  Almost no abortions happen after that time. So, your argument is invalid.
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JennaJane Featured By Owner Sep 20, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
Enjoy your own opinion.
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KINGRIEVOUS Featured By Owner Oct 8, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Fact*
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punctual3 Featured By Owner Sep 20, 2014
I'd hardly call a conclusion taken from scientific sources an "opinion" but I will enjoy it, thank you.
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JennaJane Featured By Owner Sep 20, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
Oh fuck off.
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KrisCynical Featured By Owner Dec 15, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
Nice showcase of how you're incapable of conversing like an adult when you get in over your head. :roll:
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SociaIIyAwkward Featured By Owner Nov 25, 2014  Student Digital Artist
Saying suhc makes us think that we are right, and you have no points, and our facts win. 

Fetus isn't a child. IT won't be unless it's after 2 months, and if it's out of the woman's body. 
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Totally-dead Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
And that ladies and gentlement is the level of intellectual thinking that most in your ball court will bother with.
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punctual3 Featured By Owner Edited Sep 21, 2014
You were the one you started arguing with me, princess.  So no, you fuck off.
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punctual3 Featured By Owner Edited Sep 21, 2014
Lmao, JennaJane just baww'locked me.  Why is it only pro-lifers who wimp out and block me over arguments that THEY started on MY page? :XD:

But anyway, my reply to her is this: If you can only handle so much bullshit at once, you must always have a difficult time hearing yourself talk.

Bon débarras, poulet ;)
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Foorocks10 Featured By Owner Aug 20, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Indeed.
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X12-1992 Featured By Owner Aug 17, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
My stance on when life starts is this: if a person is clinically dead when their heart stops, then until the fetus's heart starts its not alive yet.
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Totally-dead Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
Oh, the heart can think can it? I thought the brain did that.

Life starts when we, the thinking entity, exists. When we wake up for the first time. Not when something that we do 5 months earlier than this starts, and certainly not when there are creatures with no central nervous system that have "heartbeats".
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TomboyJanet Featured By Owner Aug 16, 2014  Student General Artist
My german friend hasn't killed anyone, does that mean the holocaust never happened?
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TomboyJanet Featured By Owner Aug 16, 2014  Student General Artist
Which is exactly the point I was making. One has nothing to do with another. You want to be anti choice fine with me but don't pretend these murders never happened. 
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punctual3 Featured By Owner Aug 9, 2014
Other prolifers have though (as shown in this description).  So, nah, the stamp contains much truth.
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Sassycat2 Featured By Owner Jul 21, 2014  Student Traditional Artist
Pro-lifers have killed over 50 million people? 
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punctual3 Featured By Owner Jul 22, 2014
If you're honestly making the implication that the number of deaths caused by abortion is anywhere near 50 million, I've already argued against the notion in the description.
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Sassycat2 Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2014  Student Traditional Artist
The idea that a non-sentient being is not a living being is illogical. If it's not dead, then it's alive. Therefore, when the child is aborted, there is a death. Every abortion ends in at least one person dying.

And yes, in the United States, since the Roe v. Wade trial, there have been over 50 million abortions. Therefore, 50 million deaths.

Abortion can cause the death of the mother as well, such as the death of Tonya Reeves. I do not support the death of anyone, neither the mother or the child. Abortion should be made available if the life of the mother is at stake, but only for that reason. You cannot argue that one life is more important than the other. Both are equal and deserve the same respect.

One who values life would not deal in such absolutes.
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Totally-dead Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
Murder is killing a sentient being though. It is applied to killing a person, in any logical philosophy, even certain legal ones (precedents being made for family members who take their vegetative loved ones off life support without legal permission).

You pretend to be one the side of life, yet your very existence is massacring billions of non-sentient living entities by the minute, beings, if you like for whatever meaning the word carries. All of them with the same level of consciousness as foetae when most abortions happen.
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punctual3 Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2014
"The idea that a non-sentient being is not a living being is illogical. If it's not dead, then it's alive."

So, by that logic, rocks are living things- you know, with them not being dead and all.  By the "logic" of your statement, if I were to smash a rock, it would be considered murder.

"Therefore, when the child is aborted, there is a death. Every abortion ends in at least one person dying."

If seeds are swallowed, there is deforestation.  Every swallowed seed ends in the destruction of at least one tree.

"Abortion can cause the death of the mother as well, such as the death of Tonya Reeves."

No medical procedure is 100% safe.  Though they're rare, non-aborational surgeries have also caused deaths. Does that mean we should stop doing those?

"Abortion should be made available if the life of the mother is at stake, but only for that reason."

No.  Abortion should be made available for any reason there is.

"You cannot argue that one life is more important than the other."

I can, and I will; my life is more important than that of a tapeworm.  Therefore, if I were to have one in my body, I have every right to remove it.

"One who values life would not deal in such absolutes."

What does that even mean?
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punctual3 Featured By Owner Edited Jul 25, 2014
Sassycat2 left a wall of text in response to this comment, but since she took the cowardly way out and blocked me to avoid a response to it, she doesn't deserve to have her comment read by others, including me.
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Just4drawing Featured By Owner Jul 7, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Just want to throw out something, what if the baby was harming the woman? She should in my opinion have the right to abort the baby if it's a miscarriage. If it is hurting the woman (the baby) to the point she's dying, she should be able to abort. Here's an example: Example
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Adrianathekittylover Featured By Owner Jun 28, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I am pro life becuase abortion has lied to women by telling her  "her body her choice"
For me (that I am a woman) is a nice way to say "You are not strong enough to raise a child and be successful"

 frc.org/arguments
hopeafterabortion.com/
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SealyTheSeal Featured By Owner Jul 19, 2014
Some woman just don't want children, and I don't want one either. Children =/= Success. I can still be successful without kids thank you.
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Adrianathekittylover Featured By Owner Jul 20, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
yes that is true, but if you are completely sure that you don't want kids, just castrate yourself (anti conceptive methods can fail) and live child free the rest of your life (and even if you repent later you just can adopt). My stament is that if a women gets pregnant, the say that they need to abort so they can continue with their lifes or studies is just not are a real reason:
1) Today there are many universities and schools that offers online degree programs so you can get your education during and after your pregnancy.
2) If you are 100% sure that you are not ready to be a parent, then adoption is a very sweet option. There are websites like this: www.adoptionnetwork.com/choose… or like this: www.lifelongadoptions.com/wait… were the birth mother can select the new adoptive family for their children. and the option of an open adoption or semi open adoption can help the birth mother too make sure that their kid is in good hands. You may help to complete a family, It may speak very good of you as a human beign.
3) Many women that have keep their kids at young age confessed that their kids have served as their "mottor that pushed them to achieved their dreams"
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punctual3 Featured By Owner Jun 28, 2014
You can throw any bullshit prolife argument you want, but it won't detract from the fact that so many lives have been destroyed by the pro-life movement, as explained in this description which you probably haven't read. 
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