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Can you call them Pro Life now? by punctual3 Can you call them Pro Life now? by punctual3
First of all, 99% of the time, no babies are killed during abortion. Most abortions are carried out when the fetus is just a non-sentient fetus. The few times when they happen during late-term pregnancies is to preserve the mother's life, or when the baby won't survive childbirth.

There are, however, loads of instances in which anti-abortionists have directly and indirectly killed actual people. There was that tragedy with Savita Halappanavar, who was refused abortion, and died as a result of a miscarriage: [link].

There have also been many accounts of anti-abortionists first-degree murdering/injuring doctors and bombing clinics/hospitals (just naming some examples):
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In addition, any attempt to illegalize abortions will just result in making abortions unsafe. Unsafe abortions kill 70,000 women a year. On top of that, an average of 300,000 women die from childbirth each year.

No one who values life would support any of this.
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TheArtFrog Featured By Owner Mar 29, 2016  Student General Artist
Exactly! Ireland has anti-abortion laws!

And this is the result: 
Some Pro-lifers Really Need to Understand This...Ireland has had anti-abortion laws for around 30 years now. It has proven time and time again that anti-abortion laws do not even prevent abortion, and they make it very dangerous for a poor woman to be pregnant, especially if she develops a lethal abnormality.

This is what anti-abortion laws mean in Ireland.
Sick women are legally unable to receive the help that they need until they are at literally about to die.Women who have illnesses like cancer, heart disease or organ damage are unable to get help at all during pregnancy.
25000 women have travelled abroad to the UK in just the last 5 years, desperately seeking much needed terminations. And these are just the lucky ones who can afford it. In some cases, doctors are unable to access information on certain birth pr


Two of my friends nearly died due to these laws (luckily they're still here to tell the tale). The anti-abortion laws are ridiculous, outdated and downright dangerous! :(
If you read the description of my stamp, there is a link to a documentary on the issue too: Repeal the 8th Amendment - Abortion (Stamp) by TheArtFrog

The unborn are NOT the born. They are the potential for a life, but not a life itself yet. People need to get this through their heads and stop treating women as incubators as if their bodies don't matter.

A living breathing human being should have more rights to their own body than a growth of cells growing inside it, whether it be a parasite, a tumour, or an embryo.
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Shika90912 Featured By Owner Edited Apr 10, 2016
I live in Northern Ireland, which is apart of the U.K., and they don't allow abortions unlike the rest of the U.K. because of the low-life religious shithead politicians who think a unborn kid being born is more important than a pregnant teenage rape victim and their country should follow their beliefs.

I'd rather abort a rape baby than keep it, I don't do sharing children with rapists.
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LunaMatsu Featured By Owner Jan 30, 2016  Student Digital Artist
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SchwarzerRitter Featured By Owner Oct 23, 2015
You are in favour of judging whole groups based on the actions of a few extremists?
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punctual3 Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2015
No.  I am in favour of judging groups based on their delusional beliefs.
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SchwarzerRitter Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2015
Then why did you list a few extremists?
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punctual3 Featured By Owner Oct 27, 2015
I did more than list a few extremists.  I also listed the statistics of women dying from childbirth, and from unsafe abortions, which are all caused by the prolife movement.
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SchwarzerRitter Featured By Owner Oct 27, 2015
Yes, you did list more.
That still doesn't change the fact that you listed a few extremists to make a point about a group.
But you can do that with bascially absolutely every movement.
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punctual3 Featured By Owner Oct 29, 2015
....listing the statistics of childbirth mortality and deaths related to unsafe abortions actually makes a HUGE difference.
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SchwarzerRitter Featured By Owner Oct 29, 2015
Now you are making an argument that extremists are wrong, because their movement is wrong.
I have to admit, that is a different thing.
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punctual3 Featured By Owner Nov 12, 2015
Both the extremists and the movement itself cause deaths.  That's the argument.  It's really amazing how you can't understand this.
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velvetrose773 Featured By Owner Oct 12, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I'm just gonna go ahead and say. "It's the mothers decision whether she wants to abort it or not. If she wants to, then let her. But if she doesn't, don't shame her for it."
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kyrtuck Featured By Owner Sep 4, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
I'm pro choice, but this claim sounds iffy.
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xXxCreativeEva16xXx Featured By Owner Jul 31, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
And that's why, I'll be getting my ovaries (eggs) cut off.



What? It's not like I killed anyone.
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Lola-Rola Featured By Owner Feb 1, 2015
True
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XMonochrome-NimbusX Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Very true. 10/10
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KATZENSAFT Featured By Owner Oct 1, 2014
Pro-choicer here. Are you including fetuses in the statement "abortion has", or? I think this is confusing some pro-lifers.
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punctual3 Featured By Owner Oct 1, 2014
No, I'm not.  Fetuses are not people.
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LiHy Featured By Owner Sep 9, 2015  Professional
So... what then is a fetus? How do you define it?
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punctual3 Featured By Owner Sep 9, 2015
I define it as a potential human.
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KATZENSAFT Featured By Owner Oct 2, 2014
Thanks
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JennaJane Featured By Owner Edited Sep 20, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
That's HILARIOUSLY wrong... Abortion kills around 50 MILLION children a YEAR... It's impossible those actions could amount to that much.... Plus, as a pro-life person... I don't think those people represent us at all. They're murderers, not pro-lifers.
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TheArtFrog Featured By Owner Mar 29, 2016  Student General Artist
They are not murderers. You have to be born to be able to be murdered.

The 'rights' of the unborn should NEVER interfere with the rights of a living breathing human being.

A zygote is NOT a child.
An embryo is NOT a child.
A foetus is NOT a child.
A baby IS a child.
A baby IS a person.

Please, stop treating the unborn as if they are born. Stop dehumanizing living women and humanizing something that's not even a full person yet!

Bullet; Red Ireland has anti-abortion laws that severely impact the rights of pregnant women seeking abortions.
It is ridiculous that the rights of living breathing people are being pushed aside for the sake of the unborn. 
Unborn foetuses are not people. People are born.

In Ireland, even though in black and white both have 'equal rights', in reality, the law and doctors favour foetuses over living people.
Women are treated as if their rights and even needs don't exist when they are pregnant, and they are forced against their will do endure pregnancy instead of having safe legal access to abortion.

And many pro lifers (but luckily not all) want the foetus to be kept and born don't give a damn about it once they're born. They don't care that forced pregnancy is torture. They don't care what happens to the child.

And if you are really 'pro-life', I would recommend that you read these journals carefully:

Ireland, We Really Need To Have This Talk...Let me begin by asking you two simple questions:

:bulletblue: Do you believe that you have the right to what happens to your own body? :bulletblue:


:bulletblue: Do you believe in freedom of speech, without the threat of persecution? :bulletblue:

I'll let you ponder that for a few seconds...
I have the right to free speech, and in this journal I intend to exercise it. I am being incredibly careful in my wording so as not to break any laws, but I shouldn't have to worry about freedom of speech and my right to speak freely on topics. This concern in itself is a sign that something is terribly wrong in the country of Ireland.
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Today, I'm going to try tackling two very sensitive issues. I understand that writing about this may result in a heated debate, serious backlash of comments, and watchers unwatching, but I don't mind that. This is a discussion that is too often avoided that we really should talk about
  Some Pro-lifers Really Need to Understand This...Ireland has had anti-abortion laws for around 30 years now. It has proven time and time again that anti-abortion laws do not even prevent abortion, and they make it very dangerous for a poor woman to be pregnant, especially if she develops a lethal abnormality.

This is what anti-abortion laws mean in Ireland.
Sick women are legally unable to receive the help that they need until they are at literally about to die.Women who have illnesses like cancer, heart disease or organ damage are unable to get help at all during pregnancy.
25000 women have travelled abroad to the UK in just the last 5 years, desperately seeking much needed terminations. And these are just the lucky ones who can afford it. In some cases, doctors are unable to access information on certain birth pr


If you're still pro 'life' watch this documentary. Really watch it. All 55 minutes of it. See what happens, and what situation you are contributing to by promoting such nonsense:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dSICo… - Abortion, Ireland's Guilty Secret (BBC Documentary)

If you are still pro-'life' and remain unshaken in your beliefs, congratulations... you are incredibly selfish. You are encouraging needless trauma, torture, suffering and deaths. You value tiny growths of cells more than human lives. 
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fuckades Featured By Owner Aug 10, 2015  Student Writer
Children? Do you mean fetuses? We're talking about unsafe abortions and how they can kill women. Fetuses are not living sentients. 
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aquotic-boosters Featured By Owner Jun 29, 2015  Student Digital Artist
"I'm not wrong you are, my evidence is shit i pulled out of my ass"

Our population is still on the rise, even if 50 million foetuses a year are being aborted. I'll put you on the list to take care of those 50 million, OK? =P

Or, how about I put you on the slumming list? You can spend your entire life with those wonderful 50 million foetuses in the same house!!! :dummy: How exciting!
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BlueWolf007 Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2015
Although I can see where you're trying to go with this comment, it must first have credible grounds to ever be taken seriously.

50 million a year is a ridiculous exaggeration, like on the sense that it's hilarious you think that's true. Rest at ease the actual percentage is SIGNIFICANTLY smaller, especially with the easier availability to birth control in the last few years.

Abortion doesn't kill children at all. Abortion terminates fertilized eggs, zygotes and fetuses. Calling either of those "children" is like referring an adult to a child, or a senior citizen to a teen. It's entirely untrue and proves that you're run simply by your emotions and not by logic.

And on a last note,I agree, those murdering creatures are not pro-life at all. They're monsters. I don't care what they call themselves. A serial rapist could claim to be a holy man- this does not make his claims nor self entitlement true.
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KrisCynical Featured By Owner Edited Dec 15, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
According to the CDC the most recent numbers for annual abortion rates in the US (2011) totaled roughly 700,000.

Unless you can provide an actual, credible source that says there were 49.3 million abortions in the REST of the world, try again. It's really easy to pull numbers out of your bum.
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Isa09042001 Featured By Owner Oct 10, 2014  Student Digital Artist
They are not children....
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KINGRIEVOUS Featured By Owner Oct 8, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
You Pro Lifers are fucking twats.
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Captain-Purdy Featured By Owner Jun 20, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I love you 
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KINGRIEVOUS Featured By Owner Jun 29, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
HOLY SHIT!

Have not been here in YEARS!

Good to see ya'll still love me!
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Captain-Purdy Featured By Owner Jun 29, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
XD You're welcome dear stranger
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KINGRIEVOUS Featured By Owner Jun 29, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
: D
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AsahiGirl Featured By Owner Sep 20, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Clap 
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KINGRIEVOUS Featured By Owner Oct 8, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Pro Life?
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AsahiGirl Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Found you. c:<
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KINGRIEVOUS Featured By Owner Oct 27, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Im Pro Choice,

How about you?
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AsahiGirl Featured By Owner Oct 28, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I respect your opinion.


Don't slap me for this.

I'm pro life, but I always respect opinions.
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Totally-dead Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
And how do you respect opinions you do not agree with?
You can respect the person`s right to have an opinion, you can respect them by not judging them negatively for it, and you can even respect the complexity of thinking that brought them to such a conclusion, but you cannot respect an opinion if you consider it flawed.
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Venelebat Featured By Owner Apr 27, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
I suppose I support either the opinion or the person's right.  But it doesn't matter to me.  I just respect.

Btw, I'm Pro-choice.
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AsahiGirl Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I respect opinions no matter what.
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KINGRIEVOUS Featured By Owner Oct 28, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
More Mr. Krabs 
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AsahiGirl Featured By Owner Oct 29, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
c:<
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punctual3 Featured By Owner Sep 20, 2014
A fetus is not a child.  It's not even sentient before 2 months.  Almost no abortions happen after that time. So, your argument is invalid.
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JennaJane Featured By Owner Sep 20, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
Enjoy your own opinion.
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KINGRIEVOUS Featured By Owner Oct 8, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Fact*
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punctual3 Featured By Owner Sep 20, 2014
I'd hardly call a conclusion taken from scientific sources an "opinion" but I will enjoy it, thank you.
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JennaJane Featured By Owner Sep 20, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
Oh fuck off.
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KrisCynical Featured By Owner Dec 15, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
Nice showcase of how you're incapable of conversing like an adult when you get in over your head. :roll:
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